Curse

darkMishkin · Jan 31, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by nohooiam

The majority of the Guild Wars community (especially on the forums) feels that IWAY has allowed "unskilled" players to achieve a high rank undeservingly and ruined the fame / rank system. This theory holds no truth.

The rank/fame system was ruined upon conception. People with high rank certainly deserve that rank in as much it is a measure of persistance and effort, at the very least. And a pugging Iwayer has clearly proven themselves to have both of these qualities. Fame however proves nothing more than this. It might make wider suggestions, but nothing worth a damn on judgement day.

EDIT:

Al Capone concerning IWAY:
"You can get further with a kind word and an axe than you can with just a kind word."

geminisaga · Jan 31, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15

u still need skill to play iway , none of the build req no skill to play with. if u lose to iway that because they better than u and more organize

Xx Devour Xx · Jan 31, 2006, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Everyday I hear people complaining that they got beat by iway and that it sucks and requires no skill... Well if iway requires no skill and organization how come u cant beat iway teams??? I mean some iway teams sucks but other like math and prav are hard to beat, so please dont say iway requires no skill beecause if it didnt u would be able to beat it

Tortoise · Jan 31, 2006, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Xx Devour Xx

Everyday I hear people complaining that they got beat by iway and that it sucks and requires no skill... Well if iway requires no skill and organization how come u cant beat iway teams??? I mean some iway teams sucks but other like math and prav are hard to beat, so please dont say iway requires no skill beecause if it didnt u would be able to beat it

Honestly... Spirit spamming took no skill either and yet it was very, very hard to beat. Iway does not require an awfull lot of skill beyond the basic skills you need in every build. I have yet to encounter anyone being able to give me a list of the 'skills' you need when playing Iway.

Vaga · Jan 31, 2006, 01:14 PM // 13:14

It doesn't require skill losing to it means someone made a mistake which could be due to a number of things, or you were too dumb to bring counters for it. Whats wrong with bringing counters for warriors anyway?

Its already been said how iway ruined ranks so i wont go into that. But have you ever thought people who find hacking and slashing boring might want to find a balanced group and can't because its all iway iway iway? Or the balanced group that wants to fight a different build every match rather than mimicing the same thing all the way to HoH where you might find someone else running a different build/strategy to iway along the way...?

It could maybe just be nerfed so that the casual groups dont work anymore...the ones who dont have a strategy like heal party but just use the very un-coordinated build. No one would have a problem with iwayers who have diversified some what...like MATH...but its the pugs that really dont require much that are annoying and are what people want gone.

Lets say some newbie group gets rolled 5 times by balanced, so a few people say...k screw iway lets go balanced. Oh look there are no balanced pugs..."looking for 1 iway war spammmm" ah well maybe if i grind some more fame i can get one.

mishop · Jan 31, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

The easiest way to get fame is to go IWAY.

Easiest meaning:
- the way that takes the least knowledge of the game
- the way that requires the least skill/rune unlocks
- the way that takes the least coordination

...I don't think its unreasonable to translate that to - the way that takes the least skill.

Try joining a non-IWAY, non-trap pug and see how long it takes you and how well you do.

dawnrain · Jan 31, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I don't know if IWAY has devalued Fame. Perhaps the answer lies in this experiment...

Go to Hero's Ascent and offer to pay gold for fame farming. (There was a recent post mentioning this) See what kinds of builds are used and how many games they win.

Maybe if the fame system had been structured differently, fame devaluation would not have happened. What if you only acquired fame after winning halls or after winning consecutive games equal to rank divided by 2?

Vermilion Okeanos · Jan 31, 2006, 03:55 PM // 15:55

In my opinion, there are almost no difference between a newbie player of a high ranking guild and an IWAY player. Both of them did not deserve the fame, or both of them deserve the fame (depending on personal view). Neither of them had much contributions.

It still make my eye sore when I see people are trying to recruit base on rank.

Fame/rank was never that good of a measuring system to begin with. There are people who can learn and remember in one try, they would have experience and critical think beyond even most rank 9. The only reason the guy was rank 0 is because he hasn't been able to play so much yet.

Now with observation mode on, people can learn even more outside of rank.

geminisaga · Jan 31, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

you play more u get more u play less u got less

Optime · Jan 31, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

My opinions:

Iway requires some skill, however, I believe that it takes more skill to make a balanced team.
As people have said, IWAY is easy for people because it allows them to gain the fame that seems to be much needed these days, if you are to get into an organised group (non-guild)
IWAY must require *some* skill, since you have groups that will repeatedly lose, and then you have other IWAY teams who may win a few more every time. Maybe the skill required isn't much, but it's still there.

Personally, I IWAY because I want fame, so that I can get R3, so that I can play with all of those R3+ groups, and also so that I can gain a basic understanding of the many maps that one encounters in HoH. I would actually like to join a PvP guild, since my current guild is usually more focused towards PvE. I think that it would probably be more fun playing balanced than it is playing IWAY, since balanced required more tactics changes than IWAY, which can become a bit repetitive.

Just my opinions and views,
Thanks,
Zanpaku To

Medion · Jan 31, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

I play IWAY too, and it does take some skill. Maybe not as much skill as a prot monk or warder, but it does take some skill.

I now have 102 fame, about 40 fame done by W/R and 10 fame by trapping in IWAY. I know im not a good warder, not yet! So how should I learn to become for example a good warder? I have no rank-emote, who will take me into their group?
Yes, there are some that form a balanced team for no-ranks, but if you want to find one, good luck with it. I might come across one once a day, and then it's still a question if I like to play the role/can play the role.

And as a trapper in IWAY, does that make me a bad trapper for a balanced group that wants a trapper? Come on, that's very stupid if you think that, cause my job will be the same there as in IWAY.

Numa Pompilius · Jan 31, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Xx Devour Xx

if iway requires no skill and organization how come u cant beat iway teams???

That's the real core issue. To me it seems it's a flaw in the design of the metagame. If Anet agrees with that analysis, I bet there'll be some skills released with the update which'll weaken the effectiveness of IWAY.

leeky baby · Jan 31, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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An analysis into each map would reveal that an IWAY build is at a disadvantage in all but 2 maps.

1. Altar - IWAY cannot heal the ghost

2. Relic - IWAY cannot heal the relic runner

3. Priest - IWAY cannot heal the priest

4. Annihilation (Underworld / Scarred Earth) - Only in this map is IWAY on equal footing.

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1. they body block the other ghost, then killing it only way they normally win.
2.the two trappers makes it hard to get a runner from the otehr team, without him being killed.
3.Ya the priest can be a problem but with most iway matchs ur gunna beat um alot of ur gunna die quick

COnclusion: Iway is a QUICK and UNSKILLED way of getting fame, they have no experience in other proffesions making teams they join which isnt IWAY a BAD team because they are letting it DOWN.

Iway gets owned alot if you know how to beat them, i have not lost to iway for many months only on rare occasions when mistakes were made ect.

Iway normally win on luck!

reboot · Jan 31, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Nothing in this thread proves IWAY takes skill. The author probally likes to play IWAY and thinks hes good and skilled so he makes this thread.

This might as well be a thread about how PvE takes Skill, it would make as much sense.

Everyone knows Rank means nothing, IWAY is for Noobs, and HoH has been a joke for ever, ZOMG why does Everyone know this...cause ItS true.

K thx bai

geminisaga · Jan 31, 2006, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by reboot

Nothing in this thread proves IWAY takes skill. The author probally likes to play IWAY and thinks hes good and skilled so he makes this thread.

This might as well be a thread about how PvE takes Skill, it would make as much sense.

Everyone knows Rank means nothing, IWAY is for Noobs, and HoH has been a joke for ever, ZOMG why does Everyone know this...cause ItS true.

K thx bai

FOSA rarely seen playing Iway :P

imaginary friend · Jan 31, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by geminisaga

only a good iway team and organized that can will hall.

oxymorons ftw!

Cyan The Archer · Jan 31, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Tricose

used by order necros to keep there health up. Now the take heal party for the rest of the team. Another thing iway has going for it is the lack of nurfing. to nurf iway would mean nerfing at least 3 character classes making the game less fun all round. if nerfing ever did take place warriors necros and rangers would find there basic skills unusable for pvp and pve.

IWAY is based on 8 Axe Warriors just doing dmg. The order, the tainted and the trapper dont need any nerf(The orders might get a nerf because of R-Spike). It's not that i hate IWAY, i just hate the Warriors! The only top 100 teams i have seen not using the Axe Warrior, have been R-Spike teams and the guild Necro Raiders.
I think Exe Strike and Eviscrate need a nerf, since 2x100dmg on a monk in no time + Deep Wound + Good armor for the warrior, sounds a bit overpowered to me. And the adrenaline for Eviscrate and Exe Strike is just going up again quite fast with Tiger's or Frenzy. For some reason i see most IWAY players talking with the "Leet language" and/or having strange character names.

I think that the trappers in iway take the highest skill, since you will have to know who will be good to trap - Blinding the warrior, KD to the monk etc.
This of course is coming from an experienced trapper like me, so other might find what im saying wrong. The trapper in balanced suddenly take alot more skill, since you will have to know what will be good for all the different kind of proffesions.

I will have to admit that i once played IWAY trapper, and i got to the map before HoH(Which were the first time i ever came further than 2 maps). I didnt think "Yeh! I got to try this again! It owns!" but i realized that i had not much skill when i joined the IWAY team, and i even got to the second last map. I thought that this arent going to give me much experience, so i never joined an iway group again. Even when all districts are spamming "LF IWAY!".. Which is another problem, since you will meet at least 2 IWAY teams on the way to HoH.. and it just makes PvP boring.

Dr Ripley · Jan 31, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

I'm not really on the "I hate IWAY' bandwagon, but I'm not really fond of it either. Playing is playing to me, but I spent over a month spamming "Healer LFG", or "Mesmer such & such LFG" and got next to nothing in response. I've got almost 4 mil xp on some my chars via pve, yet I don't have enough fame to get into any groups at all since I couldn't get into any groups in the first place. And most of the balanced groups that WERE looking for people required R6+ or something more ridiculous just to get in. So guess what? Whether it takes skill or not, you're still going to see my crappy pvp nec spamming "Orders Nec LFG" every night because that's the only way I can get enough fame to actually use my main characters again. I'm curious as to how many other people actually play IWAY because of this reason...

geminisaga · Jan 31, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by reboot

Everyone knows Rank means nothing, IWAY is for Noobs, and HoH has been a joke for ever, ZOMG why does Everyone know this...cause ItS true.

Its really hard to win or hold halls with IWAY, so basically its not for noobs.

Vaga · Feb 01, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

IWAY is based on 8 Axe Warriors just doing dmg. The order, the tainted and the trapper dont need any nerf(The orders might get a nerf because of R-Spike). It's not that i hate IWAY, i just hate the Warriors! The only top 100 teams i have seen not using the Axe Warrior, have been R-Spike teams and the guild Necro Raiders.
I think Exe Strike and Eviscrate need a nerf, since 2x100dmg on a monk in no time + Deep Wound + Good armor for the warrior, sounds a bit overpowered to me. And the adrenaline for Eviscrate and Exe Strike is just going up again quite fast with Tiger's or Frenzy. For some reason i see most IWAY players talking with the "Leet language" and/or having strange character names.

Amen to that I dont see why Warriors get the highest dps and the highest armor. Don't forget how easy it is for axe warriors to cripple either.